Short [fairly short] bulletin. OK, rant.
It’s not getting any better! After much fiddle faddle, I unpicked two of the circles and unflipped the bits that had got twisted. But to no avail. I cannot for the life of me work out how to get into the thing! In the videos, Mr Roberts does mention that there are lots of ways to wear any dress made by this method, and it isn’t clear how he sort of scoops it up to drop over his model’s head…his explanation implies that the body goes in and out of the holes, which would mean threading my way through SIX loops inside the dress, hoping they end up in the ‘right’ order.
Do I need to go through any of them? Some of them? All of them? Mathematically, with 6 options, I make that 64 variations. Jeez.
There isn’t ANY Way through it that I can see, as it abruptly twists into a very very narrow tube just below the bodice area. I can’t see why, although the top circle on the front did seem to be placed very high up on the layout I copied- maybe that’s it?
The only other reason I can think of is maybe the fact that I laid the bodice pieces askew…which seems fine on the rationale of the method…but the way you join the side seams looks to be random and freeform. Maybe I randomly managed to find the one bloody variant that does not work?
I can’t find ANY reviews or blogs by anyone that has made this up, although there are student versions here and there on Pinterest and the like, and a lovely one making a child’s dress- but she doesn’t make the holes, just the bodice subtraction.
In desperation, I unpicked the long ‘side’ seam that was sewn first, thinking I could maybe let the thing hang from my shoulders, and work out the problem. Er, no. The seam turned out to spiral round and round, making all sorts of detours, and I STILL couldn’t get my torso into it. I checked all the measurements again, and it really should fit. I don’t think it’s a zip issue [especially with the entire long seam released AND the short actual side seams unpicked]
I was rapidly approaching the point of tearing it up, so I left it in favour of a long soak and some biccies.
I stared hard at it. I unpicked the apparently-problematic top front circles, and let it all droop. There was a weird pointy bit at the side. Mathematically, I chopped it off. It was looking at me funny.
And tried again, after repinning the long tube seam. Which now seemed about 8″ too long. Don’t look at me.
Nope. Big nope. Big BIG nope.
The seaming on this fabric looks GREAT. The way it’s pouching and hanging is making me really really want to wear the damn thing, but there’s no way it’s garment shaped. Unless you’re a stick insect. Which is MADNESS -the bust is cut on the bias and a GOOD 44″, plenty big enough. The fabric was originally 60″ wide. I used nearly 4m of it, and the bloody thing is SLEEVELESS.
AAARGH!
I could chop the top off, and abandon it to being a mere skirt, but that kind of defeats the object of the whole convoluted process.
The only other thing I can think of is to face the horror of unpicking EVERYTHING, and start assembly again, watching like a hawk for which stage of the assembly made it suddenly shrink to giraffe neck proportions…
Bollocks.
I think I need to unpick don’t I?
I’ve never trusted math it’s too sneaky. I think you’ll have to kiss your sweetie, grab your favorite beverage & unpick the whole MF.
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Julian Roberts insists it’s anti-maths, you honestly don’t even need measurements, and the natural geometry made sense [I thought]…but having hit a hurdle, no normal methods apply to fix it!
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ok. i went back and re-read everything i have downloaded and yes, the pattern itself is confusing. have you read the free download subtraction cutting booklet on j roberts’ website? that explains things the best. go to http://julianand.com/
xxcat
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Yes, but it hasn’t helped yet! I will go back to it tomorrow, to avoid the temptation to rip and burn!
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I am still confident you will “make it work”. How trite sorry. My other half does say the more use the quick unpick gets during construction the more I love the finished garment. Positive sewing vibes coming your way.
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I think that when math or science let you down, you get a free do-over. *shrug* Also snacks and fun videos. It’s a compensatory package deal for catastrophic failure of ‘reality’.
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Conveniently, ‘Thor-Ragnarok’ arrived today. That plus wine plus a good curry plus chocolate are working wonders!
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Good for you. I ordered a box of 25 dvds that a shop was selling, and i am loking forward to them–older films, older tv, nothing stressful. I also have somehow been in a new and exciting relationship with chocolate only this week or so. I lose interest in it and the good stuff sits in the fridge or freezer and does not get eaten, but OH how that has changed this week! We are in bed together every single night, staying up late, and I have yet to be disappointed!
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good chocolate never disappoints-put a few squares in your chili…mmm-hmmm
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Hmm, I sit and read Regency romances in bed at night, and eat big fat pretzels and organic flax seeds with the chocolate. It feels healthy and is just great.
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lol I read that as orgasmic flax seeds. Whatever floats yer boat lol
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Or yours, actually–if they did that, I would hardly even care if they were organic!
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Korg will make the day go better. Everything is better with Korg. I used that film like a crutch. When I was having a bad day, I’d go see it again. Thank god I can buy it and save myself some money.
I am going to take advantage of your hard work and just emulate those sweet gathers on a muslin and see what I get. I am skipping the holes. I am wide enough now the fabric would be more net than fiber.
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the basic dress shape is easy peasy, and just falls into crazy sculptural folds. I REALLY wanted the circles to work though. Poop
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More like Origami than dressmaking, you need an assistant, two heads etc. etc.
This puts me in mind of flat pack furniture, baffling and infuriating to put together and easier with two people. Sleep on it, I have my fingers crossed.
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I love flat pack assembly! I was addicted to Airfix kits before sewing lol
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Stop beating yourself up! I just watched the video of him putting it on the dummy and he didn’t look like he knew what he was doing either! It was sped up and I would love to know how long it actually took him, he was cutting and sewing as he went, no wonder you’re having difficulties xxx
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Lol thanks- I must admit, each time I’ve seen him scoop it up and drop it onto a model, it looks totally random. However, I have not seen anyone of my dimensions wearing one! I may consider putting in a zip after all, or inserting some of the offcut fabric in random godets and gores, that should do it without sacrificing the look. I’ve even considerd making a sort of intestine of fabric to join the two problematic circles back together, then just leave it hanging! Who knows? I’m trying to embrace my inner Dalí!
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I would love to look at this and try it on. The perfect garment for a party. I feel sure you will crack it soon. Like Annie I always sleep on these problems. My relaxed sleeping brain can usually make connections I can’t make when I am trying to hard and fully conscious.
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You’re right there- I wake up every morning with the problem a little bit closer to solution…
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I’ve always wanted to have a go at one of these subtraction dresses but have yet to try it out. I went and downloaded the instructions and then looked at your last post. Apologies if I’m wrong…but it looks like your layout is a combination of the two versions. On the tube version he has the front and back bodice pieces both on the same side of the tube (I think!). But other than that I’m not sure what’s going on? My head is hurting from imagining it being put together…. I might have to try a doll sized version to see how it works!
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It IS a combo, but topologically speaking, that shouldn’t matter. The issue seems to be the width, implying that the Pattern Design method is inadequate for anyone of human girth! I think gussets may help…
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Version A is laid out flat, pattern pieces cut separately, and two side seams [more wasteful] Version B makes the tube first. Where you position the bodice patterns isn’t important, but you get more oomph if they are skew. Putting them both on one side makes for more volume in the back of the dress, rather than 50-50. I think!
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Ah ok! Thanks for the explanation. I love the concept of using the negative space, but it’s hurting my brain just thinking about it!
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Argh! Sorry it is proving so frustrating although I think if anyone can save it it’s you.
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I looked at this video from Stitchless TV several months ago and it was helpful in understanding the process. That said, I still haven’t attempted the thing because I don’t need the frustration in my life now.
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Yes that’s one I watched, and I noticed she used two complete widths of fabric [which is NOT what the pattern says] and also she has hips smaller than my waist. Also, she talks about threading the body through the loops, but does’t actually do so. I’m starting to think that anyone larger than a UK 12 needs to double the bloody thing up!
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Been following this with much interest and I applaud your efforts. The Stitchless TV videos are quite good and pretty clear but yer man’s speeded up video… phew! Also found his booklet irritating, and from a first glance, not easy to read (handwritten… puhleese!). I too have been wondering how it works if one’s dimension’s are rather more than a size 12. If anyone can make it work, I’m sure you can!
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I wasn’t struck with the handwritten thing, but I followed the idea well enough. Clearly if I doubled the fabric content, and had 60″ width for front and back there would be no issue…but who needs 8m of fabric dangling from their shoulders?
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Still lost…. 😶
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I’m lost too…..
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That’s the beer m’dear…
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